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Ichnotaxa #2394
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Ichnotaxonomy and "Linnean" taxonomy are separate and should not be confounded. I certainly don't see a problem with mixing them up however best reflects the situation in identifications. The ethologic and toponomic terms might make decent specimen attributes, but I'm not sure I've got my head wrapped around that yet either. I can't dispute "track" as a common name of Grallator, but that also necessitates at least two ways of finding tracks - one for taxa that are defined as tracks, and one for taxa that aren't. Ideally I'd be just be able to find all tracks, however they (and/or the thing that allegedly made them) might be classified. That's making me think those data also belong in some kind of attributes, perhaps of parts. |
"Repichnia" as a part name would include all tracks, but I have been thinking about your statement along with my notes in #2363. As with people names, parts can have multiple terms which mean the same thing. This would be a big shift, but could we treat the part name table the way we do agents in that part names could include a list of synonymous terms? Mariel and I recently had a discussion with Jorrit from GloBi and I think he makes the best argument for not trying to decide on "the vocabulary to rule them all" but instead to create the appropriate relationships among vocabulary terms so that stuff can be found. This is definitely a post PG idea to tackle, but I think we should tackle it. |
I agree, so how should we handle ichnotaxonomy? I propose that we just add to the ichnotaxa types to the CTTAXON_TERM code table which would separate ichnotaxa from Linnean taxa. Other ideas? |
I will stick with my assessment: ethologic terms are part names and toponomic terms are part preservation attributes. |
Quick, find all the hearts in Arctos. You can't - they're 'heart' but also contained in 'whole organism' (sometimes) and 'tissue' (sometimes) and .... We've played with that a bit over the years, mostly just finding stuff that doesn't work. I'm not sure I see any silver bullets in linking parts, but anything that gets us closer seems deserving of consideration. I think this needs a dedicated issue. Somewhat like paleo, the distinction between parts and identifications gets fuzzy with cultural items. This could turn into one of those neat "community" things where finding a robust solution involves getting an ethnologist and a ichnologist in the same room. That might be an easier conversation to have after #2057.
That will cascade down to CSV-based tools, but the idea of CSV-ing (and un-CSV-ing) complex data has always been a little tenuous. I think this is correct, but I'm not sure how usable it will turn out to be, at least in the context of some current tools. We could also just declare that taxon_status=ichnotaxon term ranks are implicitly prepended with 'ichno' or something - not (explicitly) correct, but I don't think it would have any usability fallout either. |
The only issue I see with that are ranks like "Ichnocohort" which have no equivalent in Linnean ranks. |
Useful resource: http://www.ichnology.ku.edu/poi/poi/glossary.html |
The attached pdf article is the best, most recent summary of trace fossil taxonomy that I can find. Based on this, I propose the following:
track - a single imprint made by the appendages of an animal on the surface of the substrate trail - a continuous trace made on the surface of a substrate burrow - a continuous trace made within a substrate boring - an excavation produced by an organism in a hardground coprolite - (already added) gastrolith - (already added) regurgitalith - the fossilized remains of stomach contents that have been regurgitated by an animal nest - (already added) web - a thin, silken material spun by spiders and the larvae of some insects cocoon - the silky envelope spun by the larvae of many insects, serving as a covering while they are in the pupal stage case - a protective covering made by caddisfly larvae from organic or inorganic detritus predation mark - a mark on an organism created by the predation of another organism. Includes bite and gnaw marks. |
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@Nicole-Ridgwell-NMMNHS should these be given the rank ichnogenus and ichnospecies or can we just use the standard genus and species? |
If we can add the ranks ichnogenus, ichnospecies, and ichnofamily that would be ideal. It would also make it really obvious when the ichnotaxonomy and the regular biological taxonomy have been mixed. |
For ichnotaxonomy, only genera and species names are used, not higher level classifications (family and up). |
Suggest these are moved to a new Source (if they must be managed locally, if not #3311) |
Great minds! I was just thinking this last week. Arctos Ichnotaxa? |
Agreed, I've been wanting to do this for awhile. I think grabbing everything in order Ichnites + everything that has ichnogenus/ichnospecies should get most things, not counting the many that don't have any classifications. I don't think #3311 will work for these, no one does ichnotaxa very well. |
Just put it on my to do list. |
From my viewpoint: I don't/can't care, classifications are yours, do with them what you will. It's probably worth noting "...with assumed higher taxonomy..." or similar in the source description (someone else might want to avoid that), otherwise, this seems fine/useful to me. (And if everyone except you thought it was evil, you could still do it - its easy enough for everyone else to just not use whatever they don't like.) |
I have no problem with non-ichno higher classifications for ichno stuff. No need for A and B. |
Thanks for reminding me about this one @Jegelewicz! Having described some new ichnotaxa, my ideal would be to get rid of the higher classification altogether because this is an interpretation (and can be wrong sometimes) and is essentially mixing of two classification systems (organisms and traces they leave behind/create). Accurate (so nearly all) scientific literature on this will not report Chordata as a phylum for the track Cincosaurus. The scientific literature will just list: |
Well, this means that we have a bit of a stalemate. @Nicole-Ridgwell-NMMNHS says leave higher classifications and @aklompma says don't. Do we need a meet-up? |
We are not limited to one Source - #2394 (comment) |
Yep - but before we make more, let's make sure we need to! |
Yes! This does seem like something where we should require some commitment before adding code table values, lest we end up with 564 mostly-empty Sources serving only to make setting up collections unnecessarily difficult. |
Yeah, let's discuss it more whenever works. This statement by Rindsberg (2012) in the chapter cited above may also be useful: "it is far preferable to maintain a higher classification of vertebrate trace fossils than to shoehorn them into the classification of tracemakers." |
I'm definitely open to discussion on whether or not to include the higher taxonomy, and I definitely know there are others in the paleo community that share your opinion. My concern is that if it is a separate classification every single time someone enters a new specimen, that data entry person (be it curator or undergrad) will have to interpret who made this trace. Or they just won't enter the separate higher classification and then nobody will be able to find, for example, all the the arthropod traces. @aklompma you might be interested in attending the August 26 Paleo Digitization Happy Hour which will be a discussion of trace fossil issues. I think we should wait to make any decisions until after this discussion as I really want to get more than just our opinions on issues like this. edited to add, here is the link for the happy hour https://www.idigbio.org/content/2021-paleo-digitization-happy-hour |
That sounds like an identification problem rather than a taxonomy problem (but I'd not be terribly surprised to find I just don't understand something, either).
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That might also be a nudge towards the idea that identification "acceptedness" is nonbinary - we might want to accept (or not reject, or something) both of the identifications. (I think there's an issue somewhere but I can't find it...) |
Cool - you guys get back to me after the happy hour! |
I guess I shouldn't have used infer rather than interpret. I think in most cases a trace fossil gets ID'd as trace fossil taxon and then based on previous research it is inferred to be in a certain higher classification. For example, if I'm given a box ID'd as Ophiomorpha, I will assume based on the literature that they're crustacean burrows. That might not always be the case though. Maybe I find a shrimp fossil in one of the burrows and so I know based on that that these burrows were made by this species of shrimp. Then it would make sense to add a separate classification. |
I am going to close this as a duplicate of #3579 |
It would be good to have a copy of The Study of Trace Fossils: A Synthesis of Principles, Problems, and Procedures in Ichnoloy but, I went to dinner with Andrew Rindsberg, an ichnologist, when I was in Alabama. Here is what he told me about the ways ichnofossils are classified:
Taxonomic - name of thing that made the trace. He said this is especially used for vertebrate trace fossils. Theropoda from our Grallator example.
Ichnotaxonomic - a name that reflects the morphology of the trace. An ichnogenus or ichnospecies name which may include ichnofamily, ichnosubgenus, ichnosubspecies and so on. Grallator from our Grallator example.
Toponomic - how the trace was preserved. For example - "epichinion" = bioturbation structure preserved at the upper surface of the main body of the casting medium, may appear as a ridge or groove. This would also encompass epirelief and hyporelief which should be part attributes from the "preservation" code table. Not sure which one applies to our Grallator right now.
General trace morphology - burrow, trail, trackway, and so on. This one seems like a "common name" and perhaps should be the common name for the associated ichnotaxon. track would be the common name for Grallator.
Originally posted by @Jegelewicz in https://github.com/ArctosDB/data-migration/issues/53#issuecomment-560941969
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