Proximity #133
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Good solid beginning, I particularly like all the example graphics. Some thoughts on points that might be added:
CATEGORIES OF PROXIMITYDIRECT
RELATED
ANTI-RELATED
GROUPED
UNRELATED
PROXIMITIES and INTERFERENCESThe idea with the above groupings is to highlight the need for closely/directly related elements to be very close or connected, and related but not immediately to be close but far enough to provide the needed visual separation for cognitive clarity and to prevent crowding. For instance, the label "name" on the name entry field needs to be close to that field, but noticeably farther away from the next closest field to make it clear as to which field it is directly associated with. With proximity is the potential for interference, and interferences can be dealt with through priorities, or in HTML/CSS terms stack order and z-index.
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Hi @Myndex, Thanks, Andy! Much appreciated. Some great ideas that should be incorporated. I'm not sure how detailed we we want to get. Thoughts @mraccess77, @shawna-slh, and everyone? Thanks again, |
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Hi Laura, I think this is very helpful. Placement of controls in expected locations like text to the right of checkboxes can also help as screen magnifiers may pan the view with the checkboxes on the left side of a magnified area. Magnification software may predict which area to show by control type. I've run into issues with disclosure symbols that are right aligned when the text is on the left and I didn't even realize the headings could be expanded because I missed the symbol. We have a technique related to predicted locations that we can include: Finally it might be worth noting that this needs to be considered in different responsive variations as well. One note from Andy's response - we might consider that keeping labels and fields closer will help people to differentiate between which label a form field applies to. Ideally we would work toward an non-ambiguous situation, I'd say this aspect is secondary though to the primary one that you have described. We could do another guidance for proximity of other things feedback, etc. or try to include it here. |
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Ooops, we got overlapping discussions. See #108 (which I am closing) |
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Wanted to chime in on Jonathan's point about issues with right alignment of
controls.
I have also seen alignment issues on forms where the hint or required
indicator is right justified in a label ...too far away when you are
focused on the left justified part of the label. At one time the right
justification was present in the pattern library US gov. web standards. It
has since been fixed - everything is in close proximity.
e.g. Name *
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Jim
…On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 3:50 PM Jonathan Avila ***@***.***> wrote:
Hi Laura, I think this is very helpful.
An additional situation to clarify is that beyond browser zoom there is
screen magnification software where you may only see a small portion of the
screen. Also even if people don't have field loss - simply looking closely
at the screen limits the field of view.
Placement of controls in expected locations like text to the right of
checkboxes can also help as screen magnifiers may pan the view with the
checkboxes on the left side of a magnified area. Magnification software may
predict which area to show by control type.
I've run into issues with disclosure symbols that are right aligned when
the text is on the left and I didn't even realize the headings could be
expanded because I missed the symbol.
We have a technique related to predicted locations that we can include:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/general/G162.html
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Sam: Visuals also play a role such as a shared background, dotted line, group. |
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For "Problem: When a form's required indicator is right justified, I miss seeing it." I'd suggest we explain because the magnified view only shows a portion of the browser viewpoint at any one time. For Shopper with low vision using browser zoom Problem: When I add an item to my shopping cart, I am not alerted of the total update." I'd explain because the shopping cart icon is not within the point of regard where I added the product because I am zoomed in with the browser. |
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Generally speaking this looks great, one minor point on terminology though, from a couple of minutes Google searching, I don't think the point of regard is a property of the user. You can talk about the users field of view, or focus of attention, or the point of fixation. The point of regard is the property of the website that relates to the bits of content that the user is focusing on. However the point of regard is a property of the user agent, rather than something that the user has. |
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From UAAG: https://www.w3.org/TR/2015/NOTE-UAAG20-20151215/#def-point-of-regard The position in rendered content that the user is presumed to be viewing. The dimensions of the point of regard can vary. For example, it can be a two-dimensional area (e.g. content rendered through a two-dimensional graphical viewport), or a point (e.g. a moment during an audio rendering or a cursor position in a graphical rendering), or a range of text (e.g. focused text), or a two-dimensional area (e.g. content rendered through a two-dimensional graphical viewport). The point of regard is almost always within the viewport, but it can exceed the spatial or temporal dimensions of the viewport (see the definition of rendered content for more information about viewport dimensions). The point of regard can also refer to a particular moment in time for content that changes over time (e.g. an audio-only presentation). User agents can determine the point of regard in a number of ways, including based on viewport position in content, keyboard focus, and selection. |
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This is very easy to follow. I only have a couple comments:
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Very nice proposal! My only suggestion is to include focus on historic threshold of 20/70. One @@ is in regard to glossary of terms and need to define 20/40 vision, 20/200 vision. 20/70 vision means that the person can only make out details at 20 meters what someone with good vision would be able to discern at 70 meters. Note that 20/70 is a ratio, so the metric is also applicable to 20 feet and 70 feet. Follows is an source we might borrow phrasing from: https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/blindness-and-vision-impairments-workplace-and-ada
I will be looking for the sources cited in the above. |
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A little thing:
Derek has done a lot of great things. However, he did not invent the straw test. Gregg Vanderheiden and I were doing that in training in the 1990s, and Gregg was probably doing it years before that. :-) |
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FYI: The LVTF does have a Glossary started in our Wiki. |
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Visual acuity is the technically correct term for 20/70 and 20/200. I know this is nearly always defined in terms of how far away someone would stand compared to where someone with 'normal' 20/20 vision would stand. However I feel this definition is fundamentally flawed as there is no 'normal vision'. Actual measured vision is typically in the range 20/15-20/25. The technically correct definition is that 20/20 means that the smallest test chart letters that they can distinguish (threshold) have a stroke width of the letters that subtends 1 arcminute (1/60th degree) of visual angle at the retina. According to the geometric construction of eye charts, the height of the letters are all exactly 5 times the stroke width, so 20/20 can resolve letters that are five arc minutes of visual angle. Everything else is a multiplier on this baseline, so 20/200 can distinguish letters that are 50 arc minutes of visual angle. And 20/70 can distinguish letters that are 17.5 arc minutes of visual angle. If you know the viewing distance and the angle, some basic trigonometry can get you the letter height. It is a measure of distance acuity, so it's pretty perfect for anything 3 m and beyond. Using the same formula for near vision assumes there is no refractive error for close viewing distances, which is a pretty flaky assumption. Critical Print Size is more relevant for near vision tasks, but visual acuity is the global standard measure that everyone refers to, which is unfortunately not particularly helpful for computer screens! |
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That's fine with me, Bruce.
Thanks!
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Just to be pedantic, I don't think we need to define each ratio. But
before I make an edit to the glossary
<https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Glossary> which is the
right term? I don't feel that "Ratio Measurement of Vision" is a good fit.
For now, any concerns for making "Visual Acuity" is the indexed term, and
folding the CDC paragraph about visual impairment there?
OTOH, it might well make sense for 20/70 and 20/200 to be listed terms in
the Glossary. If so, are they at the top or bottom? (I.e., how are we
alphabetizing numerals?)
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This is an interesting discussion about acuity. I suggest the discussion of
distance acuity (20/20, etc) has little bearing on the web-based issues low
vision folks are experiencing. Users on the web regardless of device size
(save jumbotron or large [>24in] monitors) are using near vision. Near
vision acuity is different and measured differently than distance acuity.
Distance acuity is measured with the lens at its most relaxed state. When
focusing at a near task (16 inches or less) the lens is at its greatest
accommodative state. That is the lens is greatly contracted to increase its
curvature and allow near objects to be focused on the retina. Alas, the
reported measurement is still in terms of 20/20 (which is a confuser). The
standard for a reading or near acuity is 16 inches not 20 feet.
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… That's fine with me, Bruce.
Thanks!
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 3:30 PM Bruce Bailey ***@***.***> wrote:
> Just to be pedantic, I don't think we need to define each ratio. But
> before I make an edit to the glossary
> <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Glossary> which is
the
> right term? I don't feel that "Ratio Measurement of Vision" is a good
fit.
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> For now, any concerns for making "Visual Acuity" is the indexed term, and
> folding the CDC paragraph about visual impairment there?
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> OTOH, it might well make sense for 20/70 and 20/200 to be listed terms in
> the Glossary. If so, are they at the top or bottom? (I.e., how are we
> alphabetizing numerals?)
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Thanks, Jim. That makes sense.
As we no longer are using (20/20, etc) in the proximity doc, it seems
like we don't need to define here. Though it can't hurt to update the
glossary, if you would still like to, Bruce.
Thanks again everyone!
Laura
…On 1/26/22, Jim Allan ***@***.***> wrote:
This is an interesting discussion about acuity. I suggest the discussion
of
distance acuity (20/20, etc) has little bearing on the web-based issues
low
vision folks are experiencing. Users on the web regardless of device size
(save jumbotron or large [>24in] monitors) are using near vision. Near
vision acuity is different and measured differently than distance acuity.
Distance acuity is measured with the lens at its most relaxed state. When
focusing at a near task (16 inches or less) the lens is at its greatest
accommodative state. That is the lens is greatly contracted to increase
its
curvature and allow near objects to be focused on the retina. Alas, the
reported measurement is still in terms of 20/20 (which is a confuser). The
standard for a reading or near acuity is 16 inches not 20 feet.
Jim
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Proximity
User Needs
I need close proximity of items such as labels and controls, calls to action within my view, and to be informed of new information outside my view.
Important Terms
Field of Vision
The entire area that can be seen when the eye is directed forward, including what is seen with peripheral vision. For more information consult Field of Vision.
Point of Regard
The area that the user is viewing. For more information consult Point of Regard.
More terms and definitions are available in the Glossary.
Description
People with limited field of vision or who use large text have little in their field of view at one time. Beyond browser zoom people, may use screen magnification software and may only see a small portion of the screen. Others may not have field loss and simply look closely at the screen, which limits the field of view.
If related information is not close together, they can have trouble knowing about it, seeing it, and using it. Items near each other are more likely to be perceived.
Note: This guidance is about visual proximity. We may do audio guidance relating to audio separately.
Examples
1. Distant Proximity
The following is an example of distant proximity between form controls and labels. Space is not used to group related content. A large space exists between the labels 'Email', 'Phone', 'Voice', 'TTY' and their form controls.
2. Distant Proximity and the Effect on Point of Regard
When related form controls and labels are not in close proximity, they are likely to be outside of a person's point of regard. The following diagram shows point of regard as small circle. Within the point of regard, the labels 'Email' and 'Phone' are visible. But not their form controls. In addition, 2 radio buttons are visible without labels.
3. Close Proximity
The following is an example of closer proximity between form controls and labels. Space is reduced and used to group related content. The contact form shows close proximity of the labels 'Email', 'Phone', 'Voice', 'TTY' and their form controls.
4. Close Proximity and the Effect on Point of Regard
When related form controls and labels are in close proximity, they are more likely to be inside of a person's point of regard. The following diagram shows the point of regard is a small circle. The labels: Email, Phone, Voice, and TTY are next to their form controls inside of the point of regard.
What To Do
How it Helps
Quick Checks
Straw Test
A good test that can help unearth layout and design challenges for people with low vision is the straw test.
Take either your left hand or your right hand and hold it up like you're holding on to a straw. And I mean like, not a milkshake straw but one of those little coffee stir sticks. Hold it up like you're making a fist and look through. Make the straw as tiny as you can. Close your other eye.
Now looking through the straw examine your web pages and interfaces. Go through task flows while looking through the straw with your other eye closed. For instance, go through the motions of filling out a form while you're looking through the straw. It can particularly challenging and is very easy to lose context.
A video that includes a straw test is available.
Zoom Your Browser
Set your display to 400%. Check that all content and functionality remains available.
Related WCAG
Related UAAG
Related Accessibility Requirements for People with Low Vision
"…point of regard is the area that the user is viewing. In user interface generally, proximity is about using space to group related content and separate unrelated content."
Editorial Notes
This is a first draft of the Proximity section for LVTF supplemental guidance.
notes here
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