PSA: Windows 10 Start menu issues and quirks #1679
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右键菜单中没有pin to start的选项 |
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these bug fixes were accidentally included, they might stop working at any time as they are in beta, please if you haven't update to a new version as they are out of beta with the latest release (no pre-release) please be careful not to download a pre-release unless you are acknowledging that it is highly experimental) |
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Hello! |
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Please post windows version and build. You can find this by running winver. Please include if you are running x86-64 or Arm. |
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Here. Win running x64 |
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Thank you. It helps to know if your windows is up to date and you're using the last release of EP. |
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Its cool that it is possible to launch old explorer to pin tiles! Btw is there any way to launch this explorer (with such parameters) by default instead of Windows default? |
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One additional quirk I've noticed is that the When the user types into the start screen, the search dialog (same as I was unable to do force the search window to a higher Z order using AHK, but maybe it can be fixed with ExplorerPatcher. Love your work! |
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have this same issue, it's very annoying |
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No, I'm hoping for a fix from explorerpatcher. Until then, I'll probably do something silly like remap Win to Win+S, and invoke the startscreen via ctrl+esc (or other remap). |
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Some technical info on how Windows now has several kinds of Z order groups, this is very likely relevant to the problem https://blog.adeltax.com/window-z-order-in-windows-10/ |
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For me, it's the exact opposite. I can pin tiles from Start, but not from Explorer. |
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I'm not able to see any pinned tiles at all. it's as though it's been removed entirely. I'm using the Win 10 start menu setting |
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Glad to be able to share this with everyone and I would like to ask for a little help or guidance, I will tell you the problem. I have been using ExplorerPatcher for a year now and I am delighted. I have always kept it updated to the latest version. Network services are working, and because I have the C: drive shared, I can access it from another computer, but I don't know what to do. |
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There are currently 4 ways of doing this:
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Thank you VERY VERY MUCH !!! Solved !!! |
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I have upgraded to 10.0.22621 Build 22621 and after restart, File explorer is keeping crashing multiple times until I see a prompt from Explorer Patcher that because there were 3 crashes within 10 seconds it might be related to Explorer Patcher so it doesn't load itself anymore. First I'm lucky that you have added this error handling, otherwise, I don't know what I would do.. |
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There is no build number 22621. Please post the version and build by running winver. |
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Indeed, looks like System Information duplicates the Anyway here is from Winver: |
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thank you. |
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Resolved by @EliotAku's suggestion below. |
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@eyehiel I'm on the same OS build as you and I've manage to make everything works again by doing what pyrates999 said here, hope it will work for you as well... |
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@EliotAku - Indeed I confirm that it helped and now I can run EP on my latest OS version, Thanks !! just about step 5: "verify you get a notification that symbols have been downloaded" |
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well i haven't had the issue on 23H2 and the pin to tile and everything works, i just ask for the option to customize the windows 11 action center flyout to look like windows 10's using this tool, and to have the windows 10 styled searchbox when i have search box mode enabled in settings on windows 11. |
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Please help! I cant get explorer to work or uninstall..I've tried all the suggestions that were above but nothing has worked. When I right click on taskbar it vanishes for a few seconds then I get a notice on the side to update explorer patcher which I do but nothing changes..stuck here. I cant get to the menu at all |
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@Kady67 I also encountered that. In order to cause 3 crashes withing 10 seconds try type |
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ok thank you so much |
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Your confirmation that it helped you will be appreciated also by others that will visit this page. |
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I cant even get the registry path to work right.i'm new to windows 11 so I dont have all the settings just right yet but when I put that path in it tries to open in my browser.I have tried doing a search for explorer patcher and a few things have come up.Should I delete those files? Also once I get it working again can you tell me how I can get volume on screen once i'm using the windows 10 taskbar look please? |
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@valinet i made some research and i noticed that the StartTileData.dll checks the registry tweak "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Shell\Update\Packages\UndockingDisabled", after enabling it, pin to start fixes it self but search breaks (sorry but my os is in spanish and sorry for the bad grammar) |
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You need to rebuild the search index. This is a known issue with windows 11. |
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The menu doesn't open for me if I set |
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@valinet I Found The Problematic Dll that caused the "pin to start" bug, is StartMenu.dll Located On C:\Windows\SystemApps\MicrosoftWindows.Client.Core_cw5n1h2txyewy After renaming or deleting it Fixes "Pin To Start" |
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fixed.pin.to.start.1.1.mp4 |
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It works! |
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It turns out you can use open-source utility TileIconifier to create tiles for apps missing from the Start menu. No other option from suggested worked for me. |
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The "start" bar on the left side of the start menu cannot pin items. I tried setting it in Settings > Personalization > Start > Folders, but nothing happened. Should it be added from somewhere else? |
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Newest updates to ExplorerPatcher fixes the pinning and unpinning bug |
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yep :) |
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Just a quick FYI: 22h2 22621.2428 introduced the Start Menu breakdown. Properties Restart File Explorer doesn't help. |
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I'd assume your PC just performed a feature upgrade. In that case, please reinstall EP (of course with the latest version) and see if the old menu returns. |
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Please create a new discussion or issue. Or create a message in the Discord server |
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It works if you use the latest version of EP. Unless Microsoft pushed a feature flag that broke the old taskbar. |
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I just made a new prerelease that fixes a very specific installation/uninstallation issue. Can you try it and let me know how it goes? Otherwise you can DM me on Discord (EP server invite is in readme) and we'll sort it out together. |
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EP does not modify icons from Windows 11 to Windows 10. |
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When I make the start menu full screen, there is always a large portion of white space above it, which I don't want!
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Please submit as a new discussion and include the following: Please post windows version and build. You can find this by running winver. Please include what settings you changed in explorer patcher properties application. |
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Currently this mode is not available in properties, something happened? only this mode exists and i tried playing much with preferences (running win11): |
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You have to reinstall explorer patcher in order to modify the start menu style |
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works now thanks!
the only thing that doesn't work before and now too is Taskbar>'customize
notification area icon' marking icons to show always (show icon and
notification) doesn't show them, they are still hidden behind the expand
button:
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You have to reinstall explorer patcher in order to modify the start menu
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Already known here: #1454 |
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just drag the icons you need, from the hidden area to taskbar near the clock. They will stay there forever even after PC restart. |
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i'll check, just updated win11 to 23-11 cumulative update.
But found another issues now after a restart - not sure if related to
ExplorerPatcher but i assume - can't drag anymore windows to edge of
screens to make it use half screen, nor use keyboard shortcuts Win+arrow or
Win+shift+right to move windows between screens or to edges... any clue
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well i haven't had the issue on 23H2 and the pin to tile and everything
works, i just ask for the option to customize the windows 11 action center
flyout to look like windows 10's using this tool, and to have the windows
10 styled searchbox when i have search box mode enabled in settings on
windows 11.
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Please file this as a new discussion. This discussion is not for reporting bugs. |
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@valinet @Amrsatrio guys, I found how to Pin to Start using win10 taskbar and win10 start menu (on win11 system).
My win11: |
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W11Ent_x64 V.22H2, b.22621.3296 How can I fix this, please, as I use total Dark Mode, thus I cannot see some icons on my BG picture? Thank you. |
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It's been fixed already. Just install the current release of EP. |
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Thank you, kind sir. Probably WHY I did not get a notification. of the newest release? |
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No, your EP happened to check if there were updates when the current release of EP hadn't been released yet. |
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Thank you. :) |
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牛蛙牛蛙 |
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Sadly, people, generally speaking, do not know what respect, courtesy and gratitude is, any more. People became darn entitled. |
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ok |
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On os biuld 22631.4112, windows 10 startmenu stopped working. youll have to update manuallyu. heres a version that works. Hope this is fixed later |
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Easier to just post this: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/releases |
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and your link is broken. |
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sorry. i wonderd why it was that long |
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np, please fix your link then |
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i found it here. #3597 |
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Is the folder containing the shortcuts located in #C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs"? BC when I copy shortcuts there they do not appear Also some apps/shortcuts just don't have a "pin to start" context menu and if you try and drag them that also doesn't do the trick, but I seem to have found a workaround - first I copy/make shortcut in C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs, then go to all programs menu, find it there, drag it and while dragging press win key two times and then start menu appears and I can drag it there. Maybe it helps? |
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Another time installing this inventor and still no way to pin "this PC" shortcut to the start menu, faster ms will release w12 than this program will get out of alpha phase |
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Are you using an insider build of Windows 11? for example: Canary, Dev, Beta and Release Preview |
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Before filling a bug report about the Windows 10 Start menu, please read this document which outlines currently known issues and quirks and workarounds.
Pin to Start from other than Explorer and Start menu does not work
Symptom: On Windows 11, when you try to pin a program or shortcut from places other than Start menu and Explorer, nothing happens.
Fix available: No ❌
Workaround available: Yes ✅
Details: Although EP has made Pin to Start through Explorer and Start menu work properly, other places not fully covered by EP such as the Search menu and open/save as dialogs do not have proper Pin to Start behavior. If you want to pin items from the Search menu, for now you can select "Open file location", right click the pre-selected shortcut, and lastly select Pin to Start.
Cannot type to search in full screen Start menu
Symptom: On Windows 11 with Windows 10 full screen Start menu, typing when the Start menu is open doesn't show the Search menu.
Fix available: No ❌
Workaround available: No ❌
Details: The Windows 11 Search menu technically opens at the same time with the Start menu, and puts the caret on the (hidden) text field there so that when it's typed on, the Start menu is dismissed and the Search menu is made visible. However, for some reason the full screen Start does not get dismissed when one types on the full screen Start, but the text field is actually filled in so does the search results list. In this state, pressing Enter will select whatever appears first in the hidden search results view.
More details in here: #1975.
The following issues are now no longer present, but are kept here for reference purposes.
Pin to Start from Start menu does not work
Symptom: On Windows 11 22H2 build 22621.1413 or higher, when you right click a program in the app list and choose "Pin to Start", nothing happens.
Fix available: Yes ✅ Install ExplorerPatcher 22621.2428.59.1 or higher
Workaround available: Yes ✅
Details: This problem seems to happen because the tile data store seems to have changed for the Windows 11 menu, while the Windows 10 Start menu still uses the old data store to display tiles. The Windows 10 Start menu has to be disassembled and studied in order to redirect operations on the old data store to the new data store.
Workaround: Until this gets fixed properly, you can pin tiles to Start by dragging the application entry to the pinned tiles area.
Pinned tiles cannot be unpinned
Symptom: On Windows 11 22H2 build 22621.1413 or higher, when you right click on a pinned tile, you cannot unpin it, since the relevant option is not displayed. Instead, "Pin to Start" is displayed, even though the respective program is already pinned, and the option does nothing.
Fix available: Yes ✅ Install ExplorerPatcher 22621.2428.59.1 or higher
Workaround available: Yes ✅
Details: This problem seems to happen because the tile data store seems to have changed for the Windows 11 menu, while the Windows 10 Start menu still uses the old data store to display tiles. The Windows 10 Start menu has to be disassembled and studied in order to redirect operations on the old data store to the new data store.
Workaround: Until this gets fixed properly, you can unpin tiles by dragging the tile away and creating a new group with it. Then, right click the group heading and choose "Unpin group from Start".
Cannot pin programs that are not displayed in Start
Symptom: Programs that cannot be located directly within the Windows 10 Start menu cannot be pinned to the Windows 10 Start menu.
Fix available: Yes ✅ Install ExplorerPatcher 22621.2428.59.1 or higher
Workaround available: Yes ✅
Details: This problem seems to happen because the tile data store seems to have changed for the Windows 11 menu, while the Windows 10 Start menu still uses the old data store to display tiles. The Windows 10 Start menu has to be disassembled and studied in order to redirect operations on the old data store to the new data store. Applications like File Explorer and the Start menu search panel 'talk' to the new data store, thus their "Pin to Start" options try to pin tiles to the Windows 11 Start menu, not the Windows 10 one.
Workaround: Restart File Explorer using the relevant option in Properties. This ensures that no Control Panel windows are opened, which is relevant for this workaround. Then, click the "Pin tiles to Windows 10 Start menu from File Explorer" option in Properties - Start menu. A File Explorer window opens - use this window to browse to the item you want pinned to the Windows 10 Start menu. Once you identify the program, right click and choose "Pin to Start". The program will be pinned to Start. If it does not work, try again one more time. If you can find the program only using Search, right click on it there, choose "Open file location". In the window that opens, copy the address to the program and navigate to it using the special File Explorer window from which you can pin tiles.
Acknowledgments
Some of these workarounds were discovered by our beloved forum members, who I would like to express my deepest gratitude towards and thank them for their effort. More information can be found in this thread: #1108
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