Description of headline property shows its newspaper heritage

[Dataliberate]

http://schema.org/headline

Currently "Headline of the article".

Not all CreativeWorks that have a headline are necessarily articles.

Suggested alternative "Headline or initial brief description or title at the top or beginning of an article or group of creative works"

[dbs]

I still don't understand how http://schema.org/headline is different from http://schema.org/name, other than having a more newspaper-y label. I would suggest deprecating it and http://schema.org/alternativeHeadline (which has the much broader description "A secondary title of the CreativeWork.") in favour of name & alternateName, unless a compelling reason & set of examples that provide guidance for users in differentiating the proper uses of name vs. headline and alternateName vs. alternativeHeadline are provided.

Yes, this is a rehash of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2014Jan/0198.html but, unless I missed it, there has been no good argument put forward for why we would need to apply all four properties to a single CreativeWork.

[dbs]

Metabug #418 says about this bug: "Description of headline property shows its newspaper heritage Proposal: working as intended. It is for news. Perhaps add an example or qualifying info to indicate usage intention?"

In addition to an example, and changing the description to something more specific like "Headline of the news article.", how about we then move it down to http://schema.org/NewsArticle instead of hanging off of http://schema.org/CreativeWork so that it is found in the appropriate context?

[jvandriel]

"how about we then move it down to http://schema.org/NewsArticle instead of hanging off of http://schema.org/CreativeWork so that it is found in the appropriate context?"

+1

[dbs]

See pull request #423 accordingly.

[danbri]

@dbs - thanks for the (very sensible) suggestion and implementation. It sounds promising to me but how about we postpone this beyond the looming sdo-gozer release and use it as an excuse to check back in with the rNews team?

[ParkFramework]

For most users, more convenient to have a general property of things - title
http://schema.org/title

Otherwise, have used (name or headline) as title - is not nice.

Thank.

[RichardWallis]

@danbri did you check in with the rNews folks?

[danbri]

I did some rNews pinging a while back, it may be a good time to try again.

My preference would be to declare these as sub-properties of the more general properties, and move on. It might not add a huge amount more information to say 'headline' instead of 'name' but it also feels largely harmless.

[thadguidry]

There's a need in the entertainment and publishing industry from a few providers I've spoken to regarding temporary names and working titles. I think this makes it more clear our intended usage of

http://schema.org/alternateName and http://schema.org/alternativeHeadline
require a bit of expansion to easily accommodate this need I think.

I've created a pull request here: #1227

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This issue is being tagged as Stale due to inactivity.

[NickDarvey]

What was the justification for closing #423?

As someone coming to this in 2023, it reads like there was a general desire for superseding headline (or moving it down to NewsArticle, or making it a sub-property, or something) and the only thing stopping this change was wanting to get the approval of a group rNews which has been dormant since 2019. Would #423 be accepted if it were opened today?