Useful start screen [$5]

[juliushaertl]

The current start screen is just another view of the list of boards that is also present in the sidebar.

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[artemanufrij]

@juliushaertl what do you think about "default board". This could be opened directly. If only one board is available --> just show it.

[pixelipo]

I was thinking about the same solution @artemanufrij - but maybe instead of default just select the first one. Default would require a new "Set as default" setting, complicating UI for no good reason.

That seems to be inline with how other apps are handling this (e.g. Mail, News)

[jancborchardt]

Same thing here. It’s strange to repeat the board list again and the empty state of the app is a bit confusing in general. Here’s my suggestions:

• There should be one board called »Personal« by default from the beginning. Just like in the Calendar app with the first calendar, and for Contacts too with the default address book.
• There should be default stacks in the first board for sure, and ideally also in every one created: To do, Doing, Done
• The header bar is not really needed: Home can be removed in favor of the left navigation. Project title is duplicated from the left navigation too. Adding a new stack should be styled as a vertical stack too (like Trello and Github Projects do it). Showing archived cards can be a checkbox setting in the 3-dot menu. Showing the board details can go into the 3-dot menu too.

All this streamlines the experience and focuses on the content.

[pixelipo]

@jancborchardt 👍 for default board and stacks - you should create a separate issue for that, I think.

Header bar is not a problem, since it doesn't take away too much space and it gives some useful information in a prominent (more prominent than sidebar) position. If we were to rely on sidebar only for current board title, we wouldn't have that info when sidebar is collapsed. We would also have to select that line in the sidebar much more prominently, and this is something that doesn't fit with the rest of the apps' sidebars.

[jancborchardt]

Ok, I’m fine with the header decision. :) The one thing I would remove though is the »Home« button and the notion of this view, as it completely duplicates the sidebar and introduces a completely different »mode« of how the main view can look. It’s not necessary and on mobile, the sidebar is toggleable via the 3-lines-icon. :)

[pixelipo]

@juliushaertl @jancborchardt - it seems we have a common agreement 😉 Here is what is needed to deprecate "board list" view (and keep all existing features):

• Add default board on first use Add default board on first use [$10 awarded] #197
• Add "Delete board" option to single board menu in sidebar
• Add share/shared button/text to a board in sidebar, as in Calendar app:
  
• convert board groups in sidebar into a collapsible list, as in Mail app:
  

[juliushaertl]

Here is what is needed to deprecate "board list" view (and keep all existing features)

I don't think that that is a good approach if the number of archived boards is becoming bigger. Ideally the sidebar should show the last used boards as well as favorite boards.

I get that having a list of boards is not ideal as a start screen. We should consider adding some useful information there that might be interesting to get an overview without having to go directly to a specific board. Maybe showing upcoming tasks assigned to me or highlighting boards with overdue tasks.

[pixelipo]

That's a good argument, but of you're worried about having to list to much boards in the sidebar, you should first think about active boards. Already now Deck is listing all of them there, at the top level. Archived (and other groups) would be hidden (collapsed) by default, so they are much lesser problem.

Giving more functionality (that can't be achieved in a sidebar) to board list view? Yes, that would be a great reason to keep it. However, it would probably mean a total rethinking of the view.
What you proposed is something a bit different - Agenda view, which would be a brilliant feature! AFAIK, this would be a one-up against Trello :)

[jancborchardt]

Archived boards should be collapsed as @pixelipo said. Check out how we do it in the Mail app for other folders with the "Show all folders" entry. :)

[poVoq]

Wouldn't a personalized start screen make sense once this is implemented?
#11
Kind of like a dashboard of the latest cards and decks that you are contributing to.

[bpcurse]

I was thinking about the same solution @artemanufrij - but maybe instead of default just select the first one. Default would require a new "Set as default" setting, complicating UI for no good reason.

That seems to be inline with how other apps are handling this (e.g. Mail, News)

Automatically opening the first board is a good idea but only makes sense if you can change the board order. Else you could end up with an open board on startup that you seldom use.
Regarding Mail this behaviour is not optimal for all users (automatically opening all Inboxes view).

Adding user flexibility by providing customization options hidden in the "settings" symbol shouldn't be seen as disadvantageous and complicating the UI in general (as you only set this once and it is only visible when you click the "settings" symbol).

[jancborchardt]

Automatically opening the first board is a good idea but only makes sense if you can change the board order. Else you could end up with an open board on startup that you seldom use.

Of course it is the last opened board which should automatically be opened. :) That is the highest likelyhood of relevance, and allows you to dive right in where you left off.

Adding user flexibility by providing customization options hidden in the "settings" symbol shouldn't be seen as disadvantageous and complicating the UI in general (as you only set this once and it is only visible when you click the "settings" symbol).

It is however the defaults which we discuss about. And the majority of normal people never change default settings. So the defaults need to be great.

[alexanderdd]

Hey, is this still part of the plan for this issue?

...showing upcoming tasks assigned to me or highlighting boards with overdue tasks.

[juliushaertl]

Related #805

[stefan-niedermann]

Some input from the Android client: We always remember the last board. On app start we automatically select this board (just like jan suggested).

There is already a default board with sample lists and sample cards (also like jan suggested), so no problem. Plus an empty view if the user deletes all his boards.

[juliushaertl]

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[jakobroehrl]

@juliushaertl
Should we start with the Due Card Screen of #1934

[juliushaertl]

Yes, that would make sense, however when there are no cards shown we need a proper empty content view or maybe use the first board as a fallback.

[jakobroehrl]

Hmm, the predefined stacks overdue, today, this week will be there and the possibility to add new cards, too.
I think this would be a good start.

[juliushaertl]

How would you add new cards there, there is no stack or board context available

[jakobroehrl]

Good point...
Most todo tools do have an default list or board named "Inbox" or so

[jakobroehrl]

Will be fixed with: #2115 (comment)