Retiring the Hub on June 6th, 2024 #347
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Can you confirm that these API's do align with Microsofts security initiatives? As beneficial and useful as the compute has been for so many scientists across the world, the availability of this data repository has been more beneficial, in my opinion. Having STAC accessible EO data is enabling to so many individuals, groups, and initiatives that Microsoft aligns with that it would be extremely disappointing of Microsoft to also shutter on it. Understandably, Microsoft is a for-profit company and there is always the risk that such data and API's can/will be removed or retired; so, I must ask the above question. |
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I just want to add that I find Planetary Computer very useful for my work, and I hope that it will not be retired in the future. |
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It’s good to know that the Data and APIs will remain. Anyway, just want to take the opportunity to thank the folks who setup this up. It has been immensely helpful for the geoscience and climate science community. |
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Oh, this is such a shame. The Hub really lowered the barrier for working with this data. And it was a real success story for Open Source geo software. More personally, we have ongoing projects using this, and two weeks to procure resources and figure out how to set up our own Hub and Dask infra is painful to think about. |
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Firstly, thank you for providing the Hub for so long. It's been amazing. I'm really disappointed by the retirement, but I had always imagined this day would come (though I assumed it would be because of escalating costs rather than security). It concerns me now that we don't have a free place to demo the processing side of the STAC-based, open-source geo workflow - I imagine a lot of people will move to Google Earth Engine, which is a shame because of the lack of flexibility and non open-source nature of the tools provided there. Are there any plans to provide any other method of processing geo data through Planetary Computer? The STAC APIs etc are great, but without processing ability it feels rather 'empty'. |
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Hopefully it's ok to mention here that Coiled exists, and can manage large scale Dask/Xarray workflows in Azure accounts today. (we added Azure support a few months ago) Coiled ...
If people are looking for something to transition to we're here, and pretty good at managing large scale Dask/Xarray workloads. Sorry for the advertisement. Hopefully it's relevant to folks here though. |
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While this is disappointing, it's always the risk with these offerings. One thing that would be very appreciated would be a clear simple guide to set things up in some of the alternative platforms to the Hub that you suggest, with fairly opaque pricing and limitations. |
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I’d love to help 😊
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Krishna G. Lodha
Founder
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Any interest in working on a migration guide together? (No pressure. I'm hoping that this is pretty easy)
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Dear Robin et al.,
First and foremost, praise is due to MPC team and to MS for building it. They deserve significant recognition for their dedication and the quality of their work. I extend my personal appreciation to Tom for his outstanding contributions!
While recognising that most Planetary Computer users prefer Python, it is worthwhile mentioning that the R environment is arguably better served with robust packages that can be used in connection with MPC. They also work with other cloud services such as AWS, Copernicus and Digital Earth Africa. Examples include:
(a) Combining “rstac” with “gdalcubes” allows creating data cubes from data available on cloud services;
(b) The “sits” package offers an end-to-end TRL-9 solution for land use and land cover classification.
Another noteworthy mention is openEO. Currently, openEO is limited in its functionality for machine learning and deep learning. However, there's good news on the horizon. The EC-funded Open Earth Monitor project is actively developing a sits backend for openEO, which will significantly enhance its capabilities.
On a broader note, the potential discontinuation of the Planetary Computer Hub is both understandable and concerning. As a long-term player, I've consistently argued that Earth observation is not profitable. It's a global public good. We increasingly require Earth observation as a public service to address the climate crisis.
I am concerned that someone high up in the Azure team might have decided to replace the current free Hub with an enhanced proprietary version as a viable business model. Such a plan is unlikely to succeed. In my 45 years of experience, I have seen repeated failures to make money by selling EO data and/or services. The Landsat privatisation in the 1990s, the French SPOT programme, Envisat-1, TerraSar, COSMOS/Skymed, IKONOS. Private companies came and went: ERDAS, PCI, Infoterra. The list goes on. In all cases, these programmes had to be rescued by the public purse, or they died. Even Planet is more than USD 150 million in red.
External IT managers find it difficult to understand the challenge of making money from EO. Perhaps some Azure managers think that EO is like GIS. Quite the opposite. The basis of GIS has not changed in 20 years. Vector operations are eternal. The object-relational database is stable. That is the reason why ESRI thrives, and we have standards such as Simple Features SQL.
EO is an evolving technology in a permanent state of flux. A few current challenges: hyperspectral data, multi-polarized SAR, LIDAR, OBIA, and many open questions in machine learning. It is impossible for a commercial vendor to keep track of it all. Will MS be able to design a commercial Hub that attracts interest and makes money? Welcome to the EO System Designers Club! Past experience teaches us that designing a good API for EO is tough. Few successes, and many failures. Many EO APIs are clunky and cumbersome. MS has the programming skills, but will they have the required experience and vision to succeed where so many others have failed?
Whatever the case, the EO community needs more joint efforts to develop good tools. These tools should be usable across platforms and thus resilient to the possible demise of privately run services. The community must advocate for creating and maintaining public EO cloud services. In the long run, public services are the most consistent way to use EO to address the immense challenges humanity is facing.
Best regards
Gilberto
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Prof Dr Gilberto Camara
Senior Researcher
National Institute for Space Research (INPE), Brazil
https://gilbertocamara.org/
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Firstly, thank you for providing the Hub for so long. It's been amazing.
I'm really disappointed by the retirement, but I had always imagined this day would come (though I assumed it would be because of escalating costs rather than security). It concerns me now that we don't have a free place to demo the processing side of the STAC-based, open-source geo workflow - I imagine a lot of people will move to Google Earth Engine, which is a shame because of the lack of flexibility and non open-source nature of the tools provided there.
Are there any plans to provide any other method of processing geo data through Planetary Computer? The STAC APIs etc are great, but without processing ability it feels rather 'empty'.
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Sad to see this. OS GIS owes you (and the team) a deep debt of gratitude for everything that's been enabled by the work. 🫡 |
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We'll have a bit of downtime this evening as I do some maintenance on the Hub, moving the DNS record. Follow along at #352. |
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Hi, Kind regards, |
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What's the correct URL to apply for an API key now? https://planetarycomputer.microsoft.com/account/request is dead. |
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Thanks for the information guys. I agree with many of the comments here, the Planetary Computer Hub was a great tool to help democratize the work on Earth Observations and it did lower the barrier of entry, as designed. I was one of the ones who benefited the most on the ease of use as I learned my way through geospatial analysis. I shall miss the PC Hub. |
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I would like to just jump in and say thank you to the MSPC team. All of you! The architecture, the implementation and the very generous provision of resources has been fantastic and while this is an end of a phase, the fact that the data and APIs are continuing is fantastic. The MSPC is a reference implementation of a whole bunch of tech that is really important, I think, and it will continue to be so. So, that's it. Thank you! |
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Also just wanted to say thanks to everyone who's put so much time and effort into the Hub over the last years! It's been a tremendous resource for education and research. It's sad to see it go, but hopefully Microsoft continues to appreciate the value in maintaining and expanding the data catalog and all of your important contributions to open source software that are essential for bringing the data to life! |
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Just want to say thank you as Planetary Computer is a HUGE help to my research. Thank you so much!!! I am unfamiliar with Azure service, but given that the hub was running with Azure, is it possible to use paid Azure server and get the same environment setting as the Planetary Computer Hub? |
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What's the exact time the hub will go offline? Will it be at midnight on 5th June (WET time zone)? Still running a few things on Hub and want to make sure pulling everything out in time... |
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While I'm producing the latest mangrove deforestation alerts (May 2024) for Global Mangrove Watch right now, for the last time on the Planetary Computer, I'd like to give a big thank you to the team! The Planetary Computer has been a massive help, enabling us to provide a range of stakeholders with up-to-date data on mangrove deforestation. |
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Hi everyone, We have now retired the Hub. If you missed the deadline for downloading data, please contact planetarycomputer@microsoft.com, we'll be able to help. Thank you for all the comments and discussion here. The kind words and thanks are truly appreciated by everyone on the team. A special thanks to @TomAugspurger , whose hard work and dedication was the primary reason we were able to offer the Hub as long as we could. Here's to all of you geo data engineers and scientists - thank you for building on top of the Hub, and for continuing to build out this wonderful geospatial community. We can't wait to see what you all create in the future with the Planetary Computer and beyond. Cheers, |
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Hi everyone,
We have now retired the Hub.
If you missed the deadline for downloading data, please contact ***@***.******@***.***>, we'll be able to help.
Thank you for all the comments and discussion here. The kind words and thanks are truly appreciated by everyone on the team.
A special thanks to @TomAugspurger<https://github.com/TomAugspurger> , whose hard work and dedication was the primary reason we were able to offer the Hub as long as we could.
Here's to all of you geo data engineers and scientists - thank you for building on top of the Hub, and for continuing to build out this wonderful geospatial community. We can't wait to see what you all create in the future with the Planetary Computer and beyond.
Cheers,
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Thank you @TomAugspurger and the pchub team for your contributions to the open source ecosystem. |
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Thank you for your platform. It has been very helpful and useful, especially when working with the EO dataset. Especially for many researchers like me. I hope that sharing my experience here, on similar hubs, can help others find alternative solutions, such as the Copernicus Dataspace Ecosystem Hub. As a user of both platforms, I believe CDSE JupyterLab can serve as a valuable alternative to maintain the efficiency of ongoing projects with smooth transitions. Here is a detailed post on why it could be a good choice. |
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That's very useful, thanks! What about running big processing on top of dask clusters? This was the killer up for me.
(I realise this might be off topic. If so, apologies, but I'm keen on replicating what I had on PC elsewhere!)
Thanks!
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Thank you for your platform. It has been very helpful and useful, especially when working with the EO dataset. Especially for many researchers like me. I hope that sharing my experience here, on similar hubs, can help others find alternative solutions, such as the Copernicus Dataspace Ecosystem Hub.
As a user of both platforms, I believe CDSE JupyterLab can serve as a valuable alternative to maintain the efficiency of ongoing projects with smooth transitions.
It offers a user-friendly interface for notebooks, code, and data. Connecting users to access and analyse data resources is easy and efficient using APIs available in this Ecosystem, such as openEO, Sentinel Hub, STAC, etc.
Here is a detailed post on why it could be a good choice.
https://dataspace.copernicus.eu/news/2024-6-14-transitioning-seamlessly-cdse-jupyterlab-former-ms-planetary-computer-hub-users
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Note All data from the Planetary Computer Hub will be permanently deleted on the 4th of September 2024. This is a notice that we will be removing all Hub data permanently on September 4th, 2024. If you still have not asked for access to your account data, please do so as soon as possible. We will not be able to retrieve any data after the September 4th date. Thank you. |
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Hi all, |
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Hi,
We’ve transitioned notebooks which were using the Planetary Computer hub to coiled - once we worked it out, it was only changing a few lines within the notebook. Found it easier to get working using a docker container rather than environment and created a custom docker container which inherits from pangeo and added the coiled module.
This was the code we changed to get it working:
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# Planetary Computer Hub
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cluster = GatewayCluster() # Creates the Dask Scheduler. Might take a minute.
cluster.adapt(minimum=4, maximum=24)
print(cluster.dashboard_link)
client = dask.distributed.Client(cluster, timeout=5)
odc.stac.configure_rio(cloud_defaults=True, client=client)
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# Coiled
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cluster = coiled.Cluster(
n_workers=4,
region="westeurope",
worker_memory="8 GiB",
container='petebunting/gmw-alerts-contain'
)
client = cluster.get_client()
print(cluster.dashboard_link)
odc.stac.configure_rio(cloud_defaults=True, client=client)
#########################################################
This the whole notebook which is working for us:
https://github.com/globalmangrovewatch/gmw_planetary_computer_s2_alerts/blob/main/02_create_loss_alert_rasters/sen2_monthly_chng_alerts_ndvi_sgl_mnth.ipynb
Cheers, Pete
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Hi all,
Does anyone have recommendations on a workaround using other platforms to access data and compute? I know a few different options have been mentioned in this thread. Any favorites? Any progress on the migration guide for Coiled?
Thanks!
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Note All data from the Planetary Computer Hub will be permanently deleted on the 4th of September 2024. This is a final notice that we will be removing all Hub data permanently on September 4th, 2024. If you still have not asked for access to your account data, please do so as soon as possible. We will not be able to retrieve any data after the September 4th date. Thank you. |
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We have deleted all remaining user data from the Hub. |
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The Planetary Computer Hub will be retired on the 6th of June 2024.
This is a notice that the Planetary Computer Hub will be retired on the 6th of June 2024. Please note that this change only affects the Planetary Computer Hub; the Planetary Computer Data and APIs will remain available and unchanged.
Microsoft has recently tightened security requirements across all systems (Prioritizing security above all else - The Official Microsoft Blog). Implementing these new security protocols requires changes to the Planetary Computer architecture, which the Hub is not compatible with. We want to reassure you that there have been no known security incidents within the Planetary Computer Hub. We are required to take these steps to comply with enhanced company-wide security standards. As a Preview product (see our Terms of Use), we must adhere to these stringent requirements and deadlines despite the resulting disruption. We do apologize for any inconvenience this retirement will cause.
We will send a notice to all registered users to download any needed data from their Planetary Computer Hub accounts. We will also be updating this discussion with instructions on how to retrieve your Hub home directory after retirement, in case you miss the deadline.
The retirement process will proceed as follows:
Please download all data from your Planetary Computer Hub home directory before Friday, June 6th, 2024.
The easiest way to download your files is to log into the Hub and use the Jupyterlab UI. For a small number of files, you can just use the file picker on the left-hand side.
For many files (including your entire home directory) you can:
hub.zip
using the Jupyterlab UIReach out to planetarycomputer@microsoft.com with any questions or concerns.
If you need alternative platforms to the Hub, we suggest the following:
Microsoft launched the Hub in April of 2021, and since then has provided tens of millions of dollars of free compute to our user base. We thank all of you for leveraging the Planetary Computer Hub for your work and encourage you to continue to leverage the over 50 PB of data and APIs we continue to host in the Planetary Computer. We are looking forward to offering more ways to collaborate on your work together in the future.
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