Create icon for lima project

[yangyang198703]

We'd love to see an official icon for lima project, for referencing it in the graphs, etc.

[AkihiroSuda]

Help wanted.

Hints:

• "lima" means "five", or "hand" in a lot of Austronesian languages https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Austronesian/lima
• "līma" means "file" (carpenter's tool) in Latin https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lima#Latin
• "lima" means "lime" in several languages such as Spanish, Portuguese, and Polish https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lima#Spanish
• "Lima" is the capital of Peru https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lima
• Other meanings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lima_(disambiguation) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lima

[yangyang198703]

Should we focus on the Linux on Mac concept?

[AkihiroSuda]

Should we focus on the Linux on Mac concept?

Not sure. At least we should make sure to avoid causing trademark issues.

[jandubois]

As somebody who frequently mistypes lima as lime I'm partial to a Lime icon (I also like the color). Do a Google image search for lime icon to get some inspiration.

Just make sure it looks distinct from the LimeWire icon. The software has been dead for over a decade, but we don't want the association with p2p sharing software.

Theoretically I like "File" (because it is a tool), but files make for rather boring images...

"Five" sounds interesting, but not sure what to make with it.

[toricls]

🦙 (Lama) ‪FTW 🤗‬

[rothgar]

I threw this together as an option (or inspriation)

I liked the idea of a lime (circle) and thought the blue from the old mac OS 9 "face" logo would be interesting to mix in

Lima also made me think of fitting a square peg in a round hole (but in this case linux is a round peg)

I also animated it which could be cool. I'm not sure why the "i" and "a" have clipping issues but you get the idea.

A green circle with blue square is really basic (I'm not a designer) but could be very simple and identifiable

It's also kinda nice that you can create the logo in unicode which also could be embedded in the terminal output 🟢 🟦

[yangyang198703]

lime

Love the lime idea since Mac => 🍎, Lima => 🍋 (do not have a lime icon on github), it's a fruit vs fruit comparision!

[dirien]

+1 on the lama idea from @toricls ! Maybe carrying a container!

[afbjorklund]

I think "Linux Machines" would be more appropriate than Linux for Mac, since it works on multiple platforms (unlike WSL)

Lima is expected to be used on macOS hosts, but can be used on Linux hosts as well.

But I could be partial, since I worked on docker-machine and podman-machine so "containerd-machine" seemed natural...

Anyway, would be more interested in seeing Tux than the Apple in the logo (if anything).

[afbjorklund]

And "Lime" is a scooter service

https://www.li.me/

[jandubois]

+1 on the lama idea from @toricls ! Maybe carrying a container!

As I stated before, "Lama" doesn't really work for me. Maybe it is a generational thing, but the camel/llama/alpaca images are synonymous with Perl in my my brain, due to them being the cover images of the O'Reilly books "Programming Perl", "Learning Perl", and "Intermediate Perl" (aka as "the camel book", "the llama book", and "the alpaca book").

The camel book was the most successful O'Reilly book of all time, afaik.

Anyway, would be more interested in seeing Tux than the Apple in the logo (if anything).

I think the logo must not include any other project/product branding at all to avoid trademark issues.

[bobhenkel]

Maybe a lime green lima bean? Here's a regular lima bean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lima_bean here's some cool emoji styled ones a twitter user(Source tweet) made. Here's the image link Images

And here's just a big green lima bean sourced from https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-exdwp

[dirien]

@jandubois, all good. I understand what you mean. Forgott that they used all this animals on their perl books... 😄

How about the traditional Peruan hats:

As a simple icon! So we have the whole Lima (Peru) theme still going on!

Honestly i would found it nice to keep this link, its unique and different...

[jandubois]

And here's just a big green lima bean sourced from https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-exdwp

I really like it, but we would need explicit permission from the artist before we could use it.

[dirien]

@jandubois, but then we put a traditional hat on the bean 😄 that would be awsome!

[bobhenkel]

@jandubois Unfortunately the best art I can do is about stick figure level and that's iffy. I was just using others art to convey my idea.

[afbjorklund]

I really like it, but we would need explicit permission from the artist before we could use it.

You could try https://www.maddie-frost.com/connect.html with regards to the tweet mentioned ?

[jandubois]

We may get some original artwork crafted by the Rancher Labs graphical artist; hoping that will work out. We have mgmt approval, but not sure when she'll have time to work on this.

[StevenACoffman]

I always thought of Lima beans. :)

[jandubois]

@StevenACoffman Cute, but looks too similar to the Gopher mascot of Golang, imho.

[StevenACoffman]

That's exactly where I stole it from. :) I think an actual artist who did something like @dirien Lima (Peru) hat on a @bobhenkel Lima bean would be much better than my crude amalgamation.

[afbjorklund]

I went with Tux as a placeholder

Will replace with new logo later...

(this Crystal Clear version is odd enough)

[AkihiroSuda]

I noticed now CNCF hosts a project called "Keylime": https://www.cncf.io/projects/keylime/

We have to make sure our logo doesn't look like Keylime...

[AkihiroSuda]

Maybe a lime green lima bean?

Green lima bean is fine, but it should be SVG, and should be an original image to avoid confusion (and to avoid potential copyright concern).

Anybody interested in contribution?

[dirien]

hi @jorgeamadosoria,

as you are very active in SimpleIcons project, could you help us with an Icon for the Lima project?

[jandubois]

the cursive font accidentally reads "eima" to me.

Yeah, to me too.

Can we reuse the current fontwork?

I don't know, I prefer the cursive font otherwise; I don't know if there is a way to fix up the issue with the L .

I'm also wondering if making the dot on the i a different color would look nice, but that is just bikekshedding.

[afbjorklund]

Indeed, this particular bikeshed looks more "green" than "lime" ;-)

#32CD32 Green Lime

#BFFF00 Lime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_(color)

[iboonox]

@AkihiroSuda @jandubois Here is the difference between of the letter "l" and "e" of the font used :

But I agree it's not easy to distinguish the two easily

Some variations to fix that :

@afbjorklund The chosen green is in reference to a "Lima Bean" "Lima bin 😉 " not a "Lime",
we can change it but it is better to keep a single concept, there are a lot of brands around the concept of lime fruit, I like the lima beans concept : you can launch several vms ( several beans ), lima bean can be of different colors (different type of vm), the lima bean dish could be cooked differently according to different recipes ( lima images ) ...

Another proposal is to stay on a pictogram logo without the text "Lima" :

[afbjorklund]

@iboonox no worries, the green lime looks better anyway... and I love the new icon!

The lime (green-yellow) and "electric lime" looks cool on a black background, but that's about it.
It is totally illegible on a white (or light) background, something that we found out after changing.

• Don't set the prompt color when running in light terminal theme #485

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Would be happy to change the prompt.

• #00bf8c (COLORTERM=truecolor)

• #00af87 (36 "DarkCyan", xterm-256color)

• #2cb5e9 (6 "Cyan", ANSI 16 color)

• Make the shell prompt $PS1 distinguishable from the host shell #427

[jandubois]

@iboonox Thank you for all your effort!

From your "variations" I like the last 2 best (maybe put little numbers in an image like that, so individual logos are easier to reference).

I prefer the beans with the "swoosh", as that gives them a little bit of 3D effect. Otherwise it just looks like a 2D blob.

But otherwise I prefer the slightly cursive font of the last logo.

I don't like the coloured dot over the i when the text is inside a coloured bean (I know I asked for it, but it now seems like a bad idea). The coloured dot looks fine on white background though.

I think for e.g. the Github logo I prefer the text inside the bean, so the logo is easily recognizable by people not yet familiar with lima. For use in documentation and presentation having the plain bean (with "swoosh") and a separate wordmark (with colored dot) looks great too, so maybe we can have both.

It is not clear to me if the font for use inside the bean, and the one for the separate wordmark have to be the same. (I suspect they should be, but I like both the cursive one in the bean, and the minimalistic one used in your last image).

[afbjorklund]

Were there any issues with the new artwork ? I think the new icon looks nice, and that the new color is an improvement.

Old color: #BFFF00

New color: #00BF8C

[afbjorklund]

@iboonox created these icons, from your artwork

https://github.com/afbjorklund/lima-gui/blob/0916e2851b3737b9d9bcfe2fd77660ffa4c63ea2/icons/512x512/lima.png

https://github.com/afbjorklund/lima-gui/blob/0916e2851b3737b9d9bcfe2fd77660ffa4c63ea2/icons/scalable/lima.svg

[afbjorklund]

I'm unsure about the status of this proposal.

[jandubois]

I'm unsure about the status of this proposal.

I believe the problem is that @iboonox has abandoned the conversation, so we don't know what the copyright status of their images is.

I'm also not sure if we can accept pseudonymous contributions of artwork (we don't accept it for code either).

That's one of the reasons I'm interested in moving the project to CNCF and getting their staff artists to help with this. That establishes clear legal rights to the artwork, plus an organization to defend them, if that ever becomes necessary. This is however a longer road to take; we have not even applied yet, and I believe there is a long backlog of applications that CNCF still has to process...

[iboonox]

Sorry I was absent for personal reasons.

Can you please tell me which final version you want to keep so that I can generate the assets on a separate PR ?
Does an Apache 2.0 license suit you ?

[iboonox]

@jandubois : To summarize your feedback ?

• keep the last two versions with the 3D effect ( plain bean with "swoosh" )
• Keep the text inside the bean, so the logo is easily recognisable
• Having a plain bean version (with "swoosh") and a separate wordmark for documentation and presentation

I just need to have a validation concerning the font, I see that you prefer the cursive one but I think that the last font respects more the principles of MacOs design (Apple) rather sober and minimalist ?

[AkihiroSuda]

"swoosh" may accidentally looks like related to Amazon?

[jandubois]

• keep the last two versions with the 3D effect ( plain bean with "swoosh" )

Well, the last one (with the cursive font) doesn't have the #D effect; I would like to see if it is possible to combine them.

• Keep the text inside the bean, so the logo is easily recognisable

Yes, I think without the text it is hard to recognize the logo; it could easily look like a blob.

• Having a plain bean version (with "swoosh") and a separate wordmark for documentation and presentation

Not sure what you mean by "plain version"; I think it should always include the text.

I just need to have a validation concerning the font, I see that you prefer the cursive one but I think that the last font respects more the principles of MacOs design (Apple) rather sober and minimalist ?

I'm confused now, as I thought the last one is the cursive one. I better attach a capture here:

This is the image I like best because there are fewer sharp corners in the font, but otherwise still looks relatively plain. The bean is an organic shape, and so I think a font with fluid forms and no right angles looks more natural.

Note that these are just my personal opinions though; not sure how we want to get to consensus.

[jandubois]

"swoosh" may accidentally looks like related to Amazon?

I don't think so, it is just adding some 3D volume to the otherwise flat image. The Amazon image looks quite different and uses an arrow and not a "swoosh": It points "from a to z" to symbolize the range of products available for sale.

Note that Swoosh normally refers to the Nike logo, which looks a lot different. But we should stop calling it a "swoosh" because the name is also a Nike brand: https://swoosh.com

[iboonox]

By last version I'm referring to :

[iboonox]

I'm not sure that GitHub is the best tool for brainstorming ... Would it be possible to have a quick call ? is there a slack lima channel ?

[AkihiroSuda]

quick call

Slack is here, but I believe it is around 2AM for @jandubois now 😴
So asynchronous text chat (either on GitHub or on Slack) would be still a good choice.

[afbjorklund]

#268 (comment)

I rendered a larger version of the logo, for use in Podman Desktop:

https://github.com/containers/podman-desktop/pull/3248/files

But gave up on having an icon, so going with the current workarounds.

• Use the new icon for the lima project afbjorklund/lima-gui#14

[afbjorklund]

Added an icon for use in Podman Desktop, it's not great but:

   

As discussed as a workaround for the missing icon, in #268 (comment)

Needed an icon (not logo) that would also work in dark mode