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    Add `TxBuilder::get_next_commitment_stats`

    Given a snapshot of the lightning state machine,
    `TxBuilder::get_next_commitment_stats` calculates the transaction fees,
    the dust exposure, and the holder and counterparty balances
    (the balances themselves do *not* account for the transaction fee).

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    Add `ChannelContext::get_next_{local, remote}_commitment_stats`

    In upcoming commits, these methods will serve as proxies to
    `SpecTxBuilder::get_next_commitment_stats` in all validation of channel
    updates in `ChannelContext`.

    Eventually, these methods will completely replace
    `get_pending_htlc_stats`, and
    `get_next_{local, remote}_commit_tx_fee_msat`.

    When predicting the HTLCs on next commitment, we take the conservative
    approach and only assume that a HTLC will not be in the next commitment
    when it is guaranteed that it won't be.

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tankyleo commented Jul 10, 2025

We discussed earlier passing the entire list of HTLCs to TxBuilder, and letting it do the dust-vs-non-dust sorting itself. There are nonetheless multiple places in channel that are interested in knowing the exact HTLC dust limit (see get_pending_{inbound, outbound}_htlc_details, get_available_balances_for_scope).

So we prefer to add a single method that surfaces this limit to channel, and then let channel sort HTLCs depending on whether their value sits above or below that amount.

As a result, builders of custom transactions will only have a say on where the dust limit sits, and won't be able to choose arbitrary subsets for dust and non-dust HTLCs.

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We discussed earlier passing the entire list of HTLCs to TxBuilder, and letting it do the dust-vs-non-dust sorting itself.

Is the main motivation for this to get all of the commitment-related logic out of channel.rs, or that we think that custom tx builders will want to specifically choose certain htlcs to be dust?

get_available_balances_for_scope

The key questions we're looking to answer seems to be "can I afford a commitment with this theoretical dust/nondust htlc"? This does seem to be something we could move into TxBuilder if we pass the full HTLC set and use a version of HTLCCandidate which just tells TxBuilder whether it is dust (we never actually use this amount other than the dust check).

Sadly here's no getting around needing to know the dust limit if we want to clamp our capacity to that value, so we'd still need to surface htlc_success_timeout_dust_limits.

get_pending_{inbound, outbound}_htlc_details

Tempting to suggest just adding an is_dust check to TxBuilder for these to make it slightly more abstract than surfacing the second stage fees, but given the above requirement to know the exact dust limit maybe we just want to leave as-is.

so tl;dr: I'd be interested in seeing what trying to pull more of the dust logic out into TxBuilder looks like, even if just gives us a clearer idea of where the trait line should be.


Meta note: This has got a lot of overlap with 3bb0586, so I think we should either:

  1. Rebase Update fee and dust handling for zero fee channels #3884 on this PR
  2. Pull the commit out into a common prefactor (I have a slight pref for this, but happy with either)

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Is the main motivation for this to #3775 (comment), or that we think that custom tx builders will want to specifically choose certain htlcs to be dust?

I would say we focus on the latter for this PR, and let the former be the overarching goal :)

so tl;dr: I'd be interested in seeing what trying to pull more of the dust logic out into TxBuilder looks like, even if just gives us a clearer idea of where the trait line should be.

Let me know what you think of this new direction here. Still have some clunkiness to resolve, but that's what it's looking like right now.

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Meta note: This has got a lot of overlap with 3bb0586

Definitely let me rebase on top of your PR, you've rebased once already :)

@tankyleo tankyleo force-pushed the dust-limit branch 2 times, most recently from 12fd6c3 to 067bfa0 Compare July 11, 2025 09:41
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Let me know what you think of this new direction here.

I like this approach! Definitely prefer being able to move a lot of the dust / second stage tx reasoning into the builder 👍

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@tankyleo tankyleo changed the title [Custom Transactions] Abstract the weight of HTLC transactions away from channel [Custom Transactions] Abstract dust-vs-nondust HTLC sorting away from channel Jul 21, 2025
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I'm aware I still owe a follow-up PR from the previous PR in this project, will push that soon in a separate PR :)

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fn on_holder_tx_dust_exposure_msat(
&self, dust_buffer_feerate: u32, holder_dust_limit_satoshis: u64,
channel_type: &ChannelTypeFeatures, htlcs: &[HTLCAmountDirection],
) -> u64;
fn on_counterparty_tx_dust_exposure_msat(
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Not really sure I understand the point of these two methods if we have htlc_success_timeout_dust_limit as a method - if the API includes a method to say "hey, for an HTLC of type X what is the threshold where its dust", why bother with a method to say "given these HTLCs, how many are dust?", it seems the second can be calculated from the first, no? The same applies for passing the HTLC list to commit_tx_fee_sat.

Alternatively, we could drop the htlc_success_timeout_dust_limits method (if we want to not require there be some strict threshold to indicate when an HTLC is dust, though I think its a fine assumption to bake into the API, I dunno why someone would want to have some HTLCs be dust and others at the same value not be) and have a more generic "is HTLC dust on the next counterparty/local commitment transaction" call, but even there it seems like we don't need all of these methods.

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Sounds good yes I initially had a version of the API that matches what you describe. We wanted to see what it would look like if we moved more logic out of channel into TxBuilder, but I agree we only really need the dust limits.

I will clean up those methods, and add TxBuilder methods for 1) the dust limit 2) the htlc endogenous fees (to calculate counterparty dust exposure).

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I mean don't get me wrong, I'd love to move more logic out of channel.rs into TxBuilder, that would be great, but we also don't want to have an overlapping API where we have two ways to do things over the API. Also, we want to eventually make TxBuilder public, so it would be nice to avoid adding too much complexity (in the form of a ton of different methods).

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FWIW the real blocker on the more ambitious / complex API was the get_available_balances method - at the moment this method requires an exact dust limit above which all HTLCs are non-dust.

I have some code written that moves most of get_available_balances behind TxBuilder, but the complexity is not worth it, especially if we can make the assumption you describe above about the strict dust-vs-nondust threshold.

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for what it can be worth it I have reviewed 1eb1c9e and it looks correct to me.

As for my understanding on the reasoning for the change, motivation seems to be to move usage of second_stage_tx_fees_sat and htlc_tx_fees_sat to TxBuilder in order to abstract away usage of weight of htlc transactions away from channel.rs.

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tankyleo commented Aug 4, 2025

@carlaKC thank you for the review ! I addressed the feedback so far, see above. I also added commits so you have further context about how the API will fit with the rest of channel, but we can split these into a separate PR depending on preference.

Big todo remaining is addressing Matt's feedback further above on which HTLC states we include when.

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Rebase: diff

  • Update comments,
  • Read pending inbound htlcs count and value from TxBuilder,
  • Use include_counterparty_unknown_htlcs parameter to count outbound update_add_htlcs in the holding cell, and those not yet ACK'ed by the counterparty.

Given a snapshot of the lightning state machine,
`TxBuilder::get_next_commitment_stats` calculates the transaction fees,
the dust exposure, and the holder and counterparty balances
(the balances themselves do *not* account for the transaction fee).
In upcoming commits, these methods will serve as proxies to
`SpecTxBuilder::get_next_commitment_stats` in all validation of channel
updates in `ChannelContext`.

Eventually, these methods will completely replace
`get_pending_htlc_stats`, and
`get_next_{local, remote}_commit_tx_fee_msat`.

When predicting the HTLCs on next commitment, we take the conservative
approach and only assume that a HTLC will not be in the next commitment
when it is guaranteed that it won't be.
`ChannelContext::get_pending_htlc_stats` predicts that the set of HTLCs
on the next commitment will be all the HTLCs in
`ChannelContext.pending_inbound_htlcs`, and
`ChannelContext.pending_outbound_htlcs`, as well as all the outbound
HTLC adds in the holding cell.

This is an overestimate:

* Outbound HTLC removals which have been ACK'ed by the counterparty will
  certainly not be present in any *next* commitment, even though they
  remain in `pending_outbound_htlcs`.

* Outbound HTLCs in the `RemoteRemoved` state, will not be present in
  the next *local* commitment.

* Outbound HTLCs in the `LocalAnnounced` state have no guarantee that
  they were received by the counterparty before she sent the
  `update_fee`.

* Outbound `update_add_htlc`'s in the holding cell are certainly not
  known by the counterparty, and we will reevaluate their addition to
  the channel when freeing the holding cell.

* Inbound HTLCs in the `LocalRemoved` state will not be present in the
  next *remote* commitment.

`ChannelContext::next_local_commit_tx_fee_msat` over-counts outbound
HTLCs in the `LocalAnnounced` and `RemoteRemoved` states, as well as
outbound `update_add_htlc`'s in the holding cell.

`ChannelContext::next_remote_commit_tx_fee_msat` over-counts inbound
HTLCs in the `LocalRemoved` state, as well as outbound HTLCs in the
`LocalAnnounced` state.

This commit stops using these functions in favor of the newly added
`ChannelContext::get_next_{local, remote}_commitment_stats` methods, and
fixes the issues described above.

As a side-effect, this commit makes consistent the set of HTLCs used to
calculate dust exposure, transaction fees, and balances in
`validate_update_add_htlc`.
`ChannelContext::get_pending_htlc_stats` predicts that the set of HTLCs
on the next commitment will be all the HTLCs in
`ChannelContext.pending_inbound_htlcs`, and
`ChannelContext.pending_outbound_htlcs`, as well as all the outbound
HTLC adds in the holding cell.

This is an overestimate:

* Outbound HTLC removals which have been ACK'ed by the counterparty will
  certainly not be present in any *next* commitment, even though they
  remain in `pending_outbound_htlcs`.

* Outbound HTLCs in the `RemoteRemoved` state, will not be present in
  the next *local* commitment.

* Outbound HTLCs in the `LocalAnnounced` state have no guarantee that
  they were received by the counterparty before she sent the
  `update_fee`.

* Outbound `update_add_htlc`'s in the holding cell are certainly not
  known by the counterparty, and we will reevaluate their addition to
  the channel when freeing the holding cell.

* Inbound HTLCs in the `LocalRemoved` state will not be present in the
  next *remote* commitment.

This commit stops using `get_pending_htlc_stats` in favor of the newly
added `ChannelContext::get_next_{local, remote}_commitment_stats`
methods, and fixes the issues described above.
`ChannelContext::get_pending_htlc_stats` predicts that the set of HTLCs
on the next commitment will be all the HTLCs in
`ChannelContext.pending_inbound_htlcs`, and
`ChannelContext.pending_outbound_htlcs`, as well as all the outbound
HTLC adds in the holding cell.

This is an overestimate:

* Outbound HTLC removals which have been ACK'ed by the counterparty will
  certainly not be present in any *next* commitment, even though they
  remain in `pending_outbound_htlcs` (I refer to states
  `AwaitingRemoteRevokeToRemove` and `AwaitingRemovedRemoteRevoke`).

* Outbound HTLCs in the `RemoteRemoved` state, will not be present in
  the next *local* commitment.

* Inbound HTLCs in the `LocalRemoved` state will not be present in the
  next *remote* commitment.

`ChannelContext::build_commitment_stats(funding, true, true, ..)` makes
these errors when predicting the HTLC count on the remote commitment:

* Inbound HTLCs in the state `RemoteAnnounced` are not included, but
  they will be in the next remote commitment transaction if the local
  ACK's the addition before producing the next remote commitment.

* Inbound HTLCs in the state `AwaitingRemoteRevokeToAnnounce` are not
  included, even though the local has ACK'ed the addition.

* Outbound HTLCs in the state `AwaitingRemoteRevokeToRemove` are
  counted, even though the local party has ACK'ed the removal.

This commit replaces these functions in favor of the newly added
`ChannelContext::get_next_{local, remote}_commitment_stats` methods,
and fixes the issues described above.

This commit also includes outbound HTLC additions in the holding cell in
the fees on the next remote commitment transaction; they were
previously not included.
`ChannelContext::get_pending_htlc_stats` predicts that the set of HTLCs
on the next commitment will be all the HTLCs in
`ChannelContext.pending_inbound_htlcs`, and
`ChannelContext.pending_outbound_htlcs`, as well as all the outbound
HTLC adds in the holding cell.

This is an overestimate:

* Outbound HTLC removals which have been ACK'ed by the counterparty will
  certainly not be present in any *next* commitment, even though they
  remain in `pending_outbound_htlcs`.

* Outbound HTLCs in the `RemoteRemoved` state, will not be present in
  the next *local* commitment.

* Outbound HTLCs in the `LocalAnnounced` state have no guarantee that
  they were yet received by the counterparty.

* Outbound `update_add_htlc`'s in the holding cell are certainly not
  known by the counterparty, and we will reevaluate their addition to
  the channel when freeing the holding cell.

* Inbound HTLCs in the `LocalRemoved` state will not be present in the
  next *remote* commitment.

This commit stops using `get_pending_htlc_stats` in favor of the newly
added `ChannelContext::get_next_{local, remote}_commitment_stats`
methods, and fixes the issues described above.

The value of `remote_balance_before_fee_msat` remains *exactly*
the same.

`ChannelContext::next_remote_commit_tx_fee_msat` counts inbound HTLCs in
the `LocalRemoved` state, as well as outbound HTLCs in the
`LocalAnnounced` state. We now do not count them for the same reasons
described above.

Finally, we now always check holder dust exposure, whereas we previously
would only do it if the incoming HTLC was dust on our own commitment
transaction.
Anytime we build a (feerate, HTLC-set, fee) pair, cache it, and check
that the fee matches if the feerate and HTLC-set match when building
a commitment transaction.

The fee in the old caches are never actually checked in the current test
suite; both of the new cached fees are checked in ~200 tests.
The cached fee is never checked in the current test suite.
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tankyleo commented Aug 5, 2025

Rebase: full diff

  • squash
  • nits
  • look at the next remote commitment stats in can_send_update_fee, not the next local commitment stats.
  • Expand git messages

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tankyleo commented Aug 5, 2025

@carlaKC I believe the PR is ready for a deeper look :) Can't quite figure out why CI fails to build, it does pass on my machine.

I thought we could focus on the first two commits for now, and we push the validation / prediction commits to the next PR in this series.

Let me know what you'd prefer.

I've pushed the validation / prediction commits here too so you have the context. Also see their commit messages for further description of the changes.

The predicted fee is only a function of the predicted feerate, and the
predicted number of nondust HTLCs. If the feerate and the number of
nondust HTLCs match, the fee should match too.

This significantly increases the hit rate of the assertion that the
predicted fee was correct.
panic if value_to_holder_msat is greater than channel value satoshis
So far we have always panicked if the total value of HTLCs is greater
than the payer's balance; we continue to do so here.

Also adjust `subtract_addl_outputs` for clarity
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tankyleo commented Aug 6, 2025

@carlaKC A correction: In the b16779a commit message, I say "This commit also includes outbound HTLC additions in the holding cell in the fees on the next remote commitment transaction; they were previously not included."

This is wrong, they are already included via the additional HTLC parameter of ChannelContext::build_commitment_stats, will make the correction.

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tankyleo commented Aug 7, 2025

I also plan to expand the commit messages to describe in detail how we now read the feerates we use to calculate the next commitment stats.

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Reviewed first two commits - API looks good!

I don't have strong feelings on how to split this up - happy to separate API/usage or do both in one go. @tankyleo lmk your preference and I'll review accordingly.

I'm ready for this to get a rebase/squash so it can pick up some minor relevant V3 channel changes.

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let excess_feerate_opt =
feerate_per_kw.checked_sub(dust_exposure_limiting_feerate.unwrap_or(0));
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Do we need to consider pending_update_fee here?

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Here's the current plan: if there is a pending_update_fee, that feerate gets set to the feerate_per_kw parameter of get_next_commitment_stats. I assume if there is a pending_update_fee, we will want to know commitment transaction fees with pending_update_fee as the feerate, not self.feerate_per_kw. Similar for dust exposure, we will want to increase pending_update_fee by some factor to get the dust_buffer_feerate.

/// We take the conservative approach and only assume that a HTLC will
/// not be in the next commitment when it is guaranteed that it won't be.
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#[rustfmt::skip]
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nit: don't skip formatting on new code?

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On my machine rustfmt is not consistent when formatting get_next_commitment_htlcs and get_next_commitment_value_to_self_msat, and also makes a big mess of get_next_commitment_value_to_self_msat :)

&self, local: bool, htlc_candidate: Option<HTLCAmountDirection>, include_counterparty_unknown_htlcs: bool,
) -> Vec<HTLCAmountDirection> {
let mut commitment_htlcs = Vec::with_capacity(
1 + self.pending_inbound_htlcs.len()
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Is the 1 here for htlc_candidate?

Maybe htlc_candidate.is_some() as usize instead if so?

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Yes ! The idea here is to allocate the max number of HTLCs that can be written to commitment_htlcs - for an Option that's 1, no need for a runtime is_some check ?

// `LocalRemoved` HTLCs will certainly not be present on any future remote
// commitments, but they could be in a future local commitment as the remote has
// not yet acknowledged the removal.
let pending_inbound_htlcs = self
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Directly extend commitment_htlcs here and below? Allows us to simplify the include_counterparty_unknown_htlcs if statement to just push holding_cell_htlcs when we need them.

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Since this will be a very hot path, I want to pay particular attention to performance / optimization opportunities - based on intuition a single call to extend with a chained iterator is more optimal than repeated calls to extend with the constituent iterators. WDYT ?

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