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geography cleanup request: Japan #3435

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dustymc opened this issue Feb 16, 2021 · 6 comments
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geography cleanup request: Japan #3435

dustymc opened this issue Feb 16, 2021 · 6 comments
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dustymc commented Feb 16, 2021

Our data are not consistent.

https://arctos.database.museum/place.cfm?action=detail&geog_auth_rec_id=10010183 has no island data, but seems to be entirely on Honshu.

Many - perhaps most! - references seem inappropriate, eg https://arctos.database.museum/place.cfm?action=detail&geog_auth_rec_id=10010311 is a political division with a geographic reference.

Kuro-Shima is hyphenated, most other things are not.

There are a bunch of districts - https://arctos.database.museum/place.cfm?action=detail&geog_auth_rec_id=10010182 - which I don't think are geography at all.

Etc. etc. etc.

Help!

@dustymc dustymc added Priority-Normal (Not urgent) Normal because this needs to get done but not immediately. Type-Data/Database Function-Locality/Event/Georeferencing Function-CodeTables Enhancement I think this would make Arctos even awesomer! Help wanted I have a question on how to use Arctos labels Feb 16, 2021
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dustymc commented Feb 16, 2021

See also #3422 (comment)

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Island countries such as Japan, Philippines, Indonesia are exceedingly difficult because they often have many more levels, in this case Region (Chugoku) containing multiple prefectures, Prefecture, District (eliminated in 1921 but still listed as current in Wikipedia), Archipelago, Island Group (sometimes more than one), and Island.

Can we start by deciding what is the Japanese equivalent to State/Province and County?

Japan is divided into eight (non-administrative) regions. Only one is in our higher geography - Chugoku. Do we want to start with regions or with Prefectures? If we start with regions, then all the Prefectures would move under County and we would not list any Subprefectures (currently we have six listed). If we start with Prefectures, then the Subprefectures go in the country column which is probably more valuable information.

Yes, Kuro-Shima should not be hyphenated. Can we just edit it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuroshima_(Kagoshima)

Many - perhaps most! - references seem inappropriate, eg https://arctos.database.museum/place.cfm?action=detail&geog_auth_rec_id=10010311 is a political division with a geographic reference.

This is Awaji Island which looks accurate to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awaji_Island

There are a bunch of districts - https://arctos.database.museum/place.cfm?action=detail&geog_auth_rec_id=10010182 - which I don't think are geography at all.

Your reference is Nakagami District, Okinawa which we use. You're correct that districts were eliminated as administrative units in 1921 but are still used and came up as currently valid in Wikipedia. Is there a better source? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakagami_District,_Okinawa. There are no subprefectures on Okinawa.

Chugoku is a region, but it's in the same category with prefectures.
The Chūgoku region, also known as the San'in-San'yō, is the westernmost region of Honshū, the largest island of Japan. It consists of the prefectures of Hiroshima, Okayama, Shimane, Tottori, and Yamaguchi. In 2010, it had a population of 7,563,428.

It looks like there are over 7,000 records from Japan in Arctos and over 1,000 of those are in our marine collection. I'm willing to work with someone who has Japan records to clean this up.

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dustymc commented Feb 17, 2021

Follow GADM.

One radical way of accomplishing this: Consider everything in geog_auth_rec "curatorial assertions" which will always be inconsistent and therefore simply cannot be useful for things like searching, don't worry about arbitrarily classified subdivisions or inconsistent transliterations (ain't like one more layer of arbitrary makes much difference from there...), instead do more with #3272. I've got "standardized" data for most everything in Arctos at this point, I could - well, whatever, share it with GBIF, make it more accessible in Arctos, WHATEVER.

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GADM and marineregions.org EEZs?

So would this be what I would use for Okinawa higher geography for marine specimens?

https://marineregions.org/gazetteer.php?p=details&id=9041

@dustymc dustymc modified the milestones: Needs Discussion, Tabled Feb 15, 2022
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dustymc commented Feb 15, 2022

Tabling - see also #3272 , #2374

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